User talk:Inquisitor1138

hello

what ya doing with the Argent Lady?

Thedemonapostle 04:00, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

notes

the Argent Lady seems to be a copy of Cargo Empress Super Freighter with a slight discrepancy in the scale.

Argent Lady(snipped)

Affiliation: Cosmohaul Shipping
Era: New Republic
Source: Star Wars Adventure Journal #9 (page 68 & 69), Feb, 1996

Game Notes: Pirates & Privateers cites this in it's starship index. As this was first i think it takes precedence over the one in Pirates & Privateers though personally, i can see Czerka and less respectable groups making cheap knockoffs and selling them for top credit.

Argent Lady, a stock Cargo Empress-class super freighter wasfirst. The one in Pirates & Privateers would seem to be the one in error. I recently purchased a copy of Star Wars Adventure Journal #9 (page 68 & 69), Feb, 1996. That's where I got the stats. It is cited at the back of Pirates & Privateers.

Pirates & Privateers is a supplement for Star Wars: The Roleplaying Game written by Timothy S. O'Brien and published by West End Games in 1997. The book provides information on piracy and privateering in the Star Wars galaxy, in the context of brief tales and anecdotes about the Rebel Alliance privateer Urias Xhaxin.

Argent Lady

even the wookieepedia listing, which you have referenced has it as an individual ship privately owned by a corporation and not the mass produced version. and as such im listing it under the Individual Ships section inside of the Starships section i removed the cost as well since its an individual ship. i also removed your game notes, as i believe that should be put under the discussion for the ship listed here: Talk:Argent Lady

Thedemonapostle 01:32, 16 July 2011 (EDT)

ships

Battle Horn-class bulk cruiser seems to be a copy of Neutron Star-class bulk cruiser. looking up all the sources i have, i will present them all for your viewing.

Dark Force Rising Sourcebook (pg 136)

Bulk Cruisers
When a planetary government or star system conglomerate needs a capital-class warship to defend its space lanes, it often turns to the bulk cruiser. First introduced after the Clone Wars the cruiser was the premier warship of the Rendili Star Drive corporation, ideally suited to the budgets and needs of local governments and corporate manufacturing worlds.

During the galactic civil war, many of these vessels were appropriated by the Alliance and used against the Empire. The ships are currently used by the Republic to deliver badly needed protection.

The bulk cruiser has a number of flaws which were demonstrated during the galactic civil war. The warship is slow, moderately old, expensive to keep fueled, and subject to constant breakdown. The Alliance found that it was more cost efficient to convert the cruisers to starfighter launch platforms than to try to keep them battle ready. Those which have not been converted are used as transport escorts by the New Republic. A few have even been spotted in the Imperial fleet, which has made a habit of capturing warships and conscripting them into Imperial service.

Bulk Cruiser
Craft: Rendili StarDrive's Battle Horn
Type: Modified bulk cruiser
Scale: Capital ship
Length: 600 meters
Skill: Capital ship piloting
Crew: Skeleton 840 with Command 6D Total crew: 2,050
Crew Skill: Capital ship piloting 4D+1, starship shields 4D, starship sensors 3D+2, astrogation 3D+2, capital ship gunnery 4D
Troops: 200
Cargo Capacity: 5,000 metric tons
Consumables: 1 year
Hyperdrive Multiplier: x2
Hyperdrive Backup: x12
Nav Computer: Yes
Maneuverability: 10
Space: 4
Hull: 5D
Shields: 2D
Sensors:

• Passive: 40/1D
• Scan: 80/2D
• Search: 125/3D
• Focus: 5/3D+2

Weapons:

• 30 Quad Laser Cannon (fire separately)

Fire Arc: 10 front, 10 left, 10 right
Crew: 1 to 3
Scale: Starfighter
Skill: Starship gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Space Range: 1-5/10/17
Damage: 4D

• Two Tractor Beam Projectors

Fire Arc: Front
Crew: 1 to 6
Skill: Capital ship gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Space Range: 1-5/15/30
Damage: 4D

The Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook (pages 211, 214)

Bulk Cruisers
When a planetary government or star system conglomerate needs a capital-class warship to defend its space lanes, it often turns to the bulk cruiser. First introduced after the Clone Wars, the cruiser was the premier warship of the Rendili Star Drive corporation, ideally suited to the budgets and needs of local governments and corporate manufacturing worlds.

During the galactic civil war, many of these vessels were appropriated by the Alliance and used against the Empire. The ships are currently used by the Republic to deliver badly needed protection.

The bulk cruiser has a number of flaws which were demonstrated during the galactic civil war. The warship is slow, moderately old, expensive to keep fueled, and subject to constant breakdown. The Alliance found that it was more cost efficient to convert the cruisers to starfighter launch platforms than to try to keep them battle ready. Those which have not been converted are used as transport escorts by the New Republic. A few have even been spotted in the Imperial fleet, which has made a habit of capturing warships and conscripting them into Imperial service.
Bulk Cruiser
Craft: Rendili StarDrive's Battle Horn
Type: Modified bulk cruiser
Scale: Capital ship
Length: 600 meters
Skill: Capital ship piloting
Crew: 1,948, gunners: 102, skeleton 840/+15
Crew Skill: Astrogation 3D+2, capital ship gunnery 4D, capital ship piloting 4D+1, capital ship shields 4D, sensors 3D+2, starship gunnery 4D
Passengers: 200 (troops)
Cargo Capacity: 5,000 metric tons
Consumables: 1 year
Hyperdrive Multiplier x2
Hyperdrive Backup: xl2
Nav Computer: Yes
Maneuverability: ID
Space: 4
Hull: 5D
Shields: 2D
Sensors:

• Passive: 40/1D
• Scan: 80/2D
• Search: 125/3D
• focus/ 5/3D+2

Weapons:

• 30 Quad Laser Cannon (fire separately)

Fire Arc: 10 front, 10 left, 10 right
Crew: 1(15), 2(10), 3(5)
Scale: Starfighter
Skill: Starship gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Space Range.1-5/10/17
Damage: 4D

• Two Tractor Beam Projectors

Fire Arc: Front
Crew: 1 (1), 6 (1)
Skill: Capital ship gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Space Range.1-5/15/30
Damage: 4D

Flashpoint! Brak Sector (pages 29-30)

Bulk Cruiser (LMC Security Patrol)
Craft: Rendili StarDrive's Bulk Cruiser
Type: Bulk cruiser
Scale: Capital
Length: 600 meters
Skill: Capital ship piloting: bulk cruiser
Crew: 2,050, gunners: 40, skeleton: 840/+ 10
Crew Skill: Capital ship gunnery3D, capital ship piloting 3D, capital ship shields 3D, sensors 3D
Passengers: 200 (troops)
Cargo Capacity: 5,000 metric tons
Consumables: I year
Cost: 6.5 million (new), 3 million (used)
Hyperdrive Multiplier: x2
Hyperdrive Backup: x12
Nav Computer: Yes
Maneuverability: 10
Space: 4
Hull: 5D
Shields: 2D
Sensors:

• Passive: 40/1D
• Scan: 80/2D
• Search: 125/3D
• Focus: 5/3D+2

Weapons:

• 30 Quad Laser Cannons

Fire Arc: 10 front, 10 left, 10 right
Crew: 1
Scale: Starfighter
Skiff: Starship gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Space Range: 1-5/15/30
Atmosphere Range: 100-500/1.5/3 km
Damage: 4D

• 2 Tractor Beam Projectors

Fire Arc: front
Crew: 5
Skill: Capital ship gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Space Range: 1-5/15/30
Atmosphere: 100-500/1.5/3 km
Damage: 4D
Capsule: LMC's old bulk cruisers are the heaviest ships owned by the company's Security Patrol. The ships are primarily used for patrol in the Demar system, but they have also round use against pirates and privateers attacking their convoys.

Rebel Alliance Sourcebook (page 59)

Rebel Carrier Cruiser (Modified Bilk Cruiser)
Craft: Rendili StarDrive's Neutron Star Bulk Cruiser
Type: Modified Bulk cruiser
Scale: Capital
Length: 600 meters
Skill: Capital ship piloting: bulk cruiser
Crew: 1993, gunners: 57, skeleton: 840/+ 10
Crew Skill: Capital ship gunnery 4D, capital ship piloting 4D+1, starship shields 4D, starship sensors 3D+2, astrogation 3D+2
Passengers: 200 (troops)
Cargo Capacity: 5,000 metric tons
Consumables: I year
Cost: not available for sale
Hyperdrive Multiplier: x2
Hyperdrive Backup: x12
Nav Computer: Yes
Maneuverability: 10
Space: 4
Hull: 5D
Shields: 2D
Sensors:

• Passive: 40/1D
• Scan: 80/2D
• Search: 125/3D
• Focus: 5/3D+2

Weapons:

• 30 Quad Laser Cannons

Fire Arc: 10 front, 10 left, 10 right
Crew: 1 (15), 2 (10), 3 (5)
Scale: Starfighter
Skiff: Starship gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Space Range: 1-5/10/17
Damage: 4D

• 2 Tractor Beam Projectors

Fire Arc: front
Crew: 5
Skill: Capital ship gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Space Range: 1-5/15/30
Damage: 4D

seems to be a slight difference in the crew listing for each ship. granted they are different ships.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Neutron_Star-class_bulk_cruiser
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_Horn-class_bulk_cruiser

but even the cannon source says they're basically the same ship.

so, i am asking what you would like to do with Battle Horn-class bulk cruiser? would you like that i add it to the capital ships listing on the capital ships page? ive locked both pages until a decision is made, also, since the sources clearly are for 2 different ships, which source would you prefer go for which?

in my opinion we list them seperatey and referencing bth ships sources properly with a 3rd listing for the rebel modified one. with the rebel sorcebook as its only listing.

the Omze’s Incredible Traveling Starport is also another modified one...

Thedemonapostle 19:13, 22 July 2011 (EDT)

update

1. Battle Horn-class bulk cruiser
2. Neutron Star-class bulk cruiser

i updated them, listed both under the capital ship section, listed each ones correct sources, listed the starfighter compliments for each ship and gave the description from wookieepedia for the Neutron Star-class bulk cruiser.

Speed Chart Draft 2.X.4

i put the main chart in a table for easier use. for the discrepancies parts, i believe that they should be best discussed under the discussion page, with a footnote on the bottom of the main page referring to the discussion for the various sourcebook's speed discrepancies. Thedemonapostle 21:13, 4 August 2011 (EDT)

Class 1000 Cruiser

computer is in the shop right now. and its has all my books on it in .pdf format. i went to see if i had a physical copy. i don't. so i couldn't see if there was a discrepancy in scale. also it might have changed during the conversion from first edition to second. otherwise i wont be able to look at it in full until i get the computer back...

Thedemonapostle 18:52, 19 August 2011 (EDT)

updates

i been around, just been busy with life. buying a house can be very time consuming. i try to keep up with the holocron. i try to correct errors when i see them, but generally the last bits of updates from me have been in the crossovers section.

also, for cleanliness sake, try to keep updates about what your doing off the individual article's talk page(s) and on your own talk page. that way people who want to see what your up to can look on your talk page and we keep the individual article discussion pages limited to that article's topic.

also, i been kinda more active on the rancorpit.com than here. trying to spread the word more that we have this huge database here to the hardcore D6 star wars groups.

Thedemonapostle (talk) 01:28, 29 July 2012 (EDT)

yep

yep, im still around. been working on a big conversion for wing commander.

Thedemonapostle (talk) 23:32, 6 May 2014 (CDT)